Christopher Loren's interests lie in the subjective area of human experience as a natural phenomenon. After a 30 year spiritual journey he argues against the definitions handed down through esoteric traditions and offers a new vision for body-based wisdom and understanding. We'll discuss his book Unspirituality, Permission to be Human. How is it that throughout time, mankind has turned to mysticism, spirituality and religion? Christopher speaks about how the spiritual story was once an answer to the anxieties of the natural world, but now has become a cage in which humans are trapped. He explains how we have been cheated for far too long by "believing." He also talks about how childhood suppression is at the seat of "religious and spiritual delusion" which becomes the arena for the retrieval of a shamed imagination. He says these obstructive beliefs, be it religious or spiritual/metaphysical, have stagnated the human psyche and our own collective evolution. He points out some of these beliefs. We touch upon theories of human evolution, neurology and body intelligence. Christopher comments on our future as a species.